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openFormatting issue on TheInverseLawOfFandomLevity
Twice now on the YMMV trope The Inverse Law of Fandom Levity, tropers have rearranged Better Call Saul from having the correct indentation and being alphabetized to being a double-bullet underneath the Breaking Bad example, which turns the example into both poor formatting and natter. I already reverted it once acknowledging that the correct formatting made the examples a little awkward to read because BCS is alphabetized above BB despite being a Prequel, and yet it was reverted back to the incorrect format a day or so later (by a different troper, so not an edit war). In this situation, what exactly is the correct procedure and have I made any mistakes or oversights that would cause someone to revert the edit?
openTSMagnum = Lynda4ever?
I have a suspicion that new troper TSMagnum may be a sock of Lynda4ever, who was suspended in early 2024 and apparently never appealed the suspension. TS Magnum has the same indentation and spelling/grammar issues that Lynda had, both accounts have edited on quite a few of the same pages (including null edits on this page for both accounts, which I doubt is a coincidence), and this page in particular was only edited by Lynda before TS Magnum added to it.
Edited by UFOYeahopenReceiving random PMs from "different" users who actually seem to be the same person
I have been receiving strange PMs from users in recent months asking incredibly nitpick-y things about posts I make on the forums, that I have come to believe is actually just one person using a bunch of sockpuppets. They always ask similar, inane questions; use the same kind of wording; and always claim that, quote, "myself and others" are "confused" or "have questions" about something I said on the forums. It's too similar and consistent for me to believe this just happens to be random users who type exactly the same, ask the same kinds of questions, and claim that "others" were wondering.
The "users" who have messaged me include: Master Waldon, Speed Gamer, and varazthemage. All of them have been new accounts with no edits to their name.
I'm just curious if anyone else has been having this issue and if there's anything to be done about it if so. Thanks!
openJaws Film
I was trying to edit the "Jaws: Characters" page and every time I pressed "submit", I get sent to the home page and my edit doesn't post. Either something's wrong with the page or I've been banned from editing again and I don't know why because I haven't gotten any warnings or notifications.
openIs the "Car Accident Labor" trope prominent enough to deserve a page of its own? Live Action TV
I've noticed in many crime shows there always seems to be one episode in which a woman goes into labor during a car accident. Think about it: what could be more stressful than a car accident? A car accident involving a woman. What could possibly be even more stressful than a car accident involving a woman? A car accident involving a woman in labor. It's like some crutch double-whammy. Perhaps it's just me being a snide shithead but I find it incredibly obnoxious.
To get to the main point: I was reading the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PregnancyTropes page and I think something like that could have a place there, as I was surprised to *not* find such a thing.
EDIT: I (a newb) can't figure out the markdown syntax on here, forgive me.
Edited by middigmgsxgopenUnsympathetic Comedy Protagonist
It's unclear to me what the first word of the trope indicates in context. Does "unsympathetic" mean that the jerkish comedic character is unsympathetic towards others or that the audience is unsympathetic towards the jerkish comedic character? Or both?
Edited by Oddmanresolved A strange editing glitch
Starting yesterday, I've noticed when I save any edits I've made to a page, I'm sometimes booted out to the front page and my changes are not applied. Has anyone else experienced this? Did something happen to my account that I should be concerned about?
openIs this enough caution that it's not edit warring
Is creating a discussion thread and giving them an opportunity to respond enough? Or if they don't, do I need to DM them and push them to reply? That feels rude on another level, like, "I need you to admit you were wrong!"
Edited by EievieopenAnyone else being kicked to the main tvtropes page when making edits?
I've intended to make a small edit in the Star Trek: The Next Generation S4E3 "Brothers", but every time I do and click "save", I am kicked to the main Tvtropes.org page and no edit is made.
Anyone else have this problem?
openAddition to Idiot Plot
I want to add the bolded to the locked page Idiot Plot, asking here for thoughts before taking to the Locked Pages thread.
See also World of Dumbass for settings where (nearly) everyone is intended to be an idiot. Compare Just Eat Gilligan for when everyone's guilty of the single idiocy of ignoring something that could resolve the plot. See also Fourth Wall Myopia - when the audience fails to recognise the difference between themselves and the characters. You may have seen the Obviously Evil person twirling their mustache at the camera, but the characters who get fooled did not.
Also wondering if World of Dumbass covering intentional examples means the Idiot Plot page should be revised, and also why the page is locked while other Flame Bait pages that also disallow any on or off page examples aren't.
Thoughts?
openRemoving duplicate image
On Characters.Atelier Secret Series Main Characters, I saw that Tao Mongarten's Ryza 3 image is the same as his appearance in 2. However, I don't want to accidentally break any rules so I am asking if it is ok to remove the image.
openWhere would these go?
So, I found this on YMMV.Wicked:
- Spiritual Adaptation: While there will be a forthcoming film adaptation of the book and the musical that will eventually be released, there have been at least three movies made by Disney in 2013 that some strong parallels to the story no less:
- Maleficent is basically Wicked with the titular character and the Moors Kingdom as stand-ins for Elpehba and the Land of Oz.
- Oz the Great and Powerful, just like Wicked, is also an origin story for an important character in the Oz mythos, in this case Oscar Diggs, though we do see the birth of the Wicked Witch of the West. Just not how you'd expect it.
- Frozen (2013) is a big-budget Animated Adaptation of Wicked with even Idina Menzel starring as an emotionally conflicted sorceress who lives alone in a castle.
- More recently, Wish (2023) has its heroine Asha live in a seeming utopia overseen by a powerful, flashy wizard who considers making her his apprentice until she learns that he is hoarding most of the wishes of his adoring people and only magically granting (in a lottery system) ones that don't have any potential to threaten his rule, and objects to this, earning his enmity. When she ends up with a star's magic on her side and sets out to free the kingdom's wishes, he claims to his people that she is a traitor and encourages her capture. (Interestingly, said star magic grants animals sentience and speech, inverting how the Wizard's acts rob Talking Animals of such.)
Doesn't Spiritual Adaptation entries go on the well Spiritual Adaptation's YMMV page and not the one they are spiritually adapting? Should I move these or keep them where they are? Also shouldn't they be moved to Spiritual Successor since Spiritual Adaptation is now just a redirect?
Edited by Bullmanresolved Angry comments in review replies
In this review, Boondocks 96 has been making angry comments attacking others and refusing to stop when told it isn't helpful.
resolved New troper adding info about a seemingly non-existent work
Mixi's only edits on the wiki pertain to some series called "Countryballs" that doesn't seem to exist. Googling "Countryballs" only brings up an internet meme and artstyle of the same name that apparently dated back to 2009, despite the fourth season of the show airing in January 2024, according to this page.
I'm trying to get confirmation on whether this show even exists, because if it doesn't, then the edits belong on Darth Wiki under Unpublished Works, not the main wiki.
openUser with problematic wonk over vtuber drama, and especially complaining about Nijisanji
As pointed out just earlier today, there was a random entry on VestigialEmpire/RealLife added a month ago by the troper WM-R that was just an extensive rant against Nijisanji, discussing all the backstage/corporate drama about the company and the handling of its talents. Because this was such blatant misuse I went to check and see if the original writer has demonstrated similar behavior in other pages, and it appears this does seem to be a pattern, especially within the last month:
- Multi-bullet-point rants about Nijisanji and Brave Group Incorporated in Abusive Workplace to discuss their real-life business controversies, in violation of the "real life examples must be at least 5 years old" rule (which frankly, that still sounds too generous for that trope).
- They also added Abusive Workplace onto the Nijisanji page itself.
- EDIT: It has also been pointed out that WM-R originally came up with and launched the trope earlier this year. It appears that they never actually had a consensus on whether the trope counted for "no recent examples" and "no real life examples" despite there being concerns about both, and after the page went live, they added in various "sneak-edits" of further documenting vtuber company drama with "do not make public until 5 years from now" notices, so it doesn't even sound like they were even respecting their own rule.
- Adding in many entries about vtuber graduations/identity changes to Open Secret, most of which were removed as per consensus in the respective cleanup thread as being in violation of real-life troping, only for them to partly add back in some content without consulting the thread on the matter (despite them participating in it earlier).
- Making excessive additions to Pop-Culture Isolation discussing Nijisanji, with very pointed focus on blaming the company for "enforcing" isolation because of its bad practices, while adding in a seemingly irrelevant paragraph about how hololive "avoids" it.
- Making an entry about the Hololive vs. Nijisanji rivalry in Quantity vs. Quality. While technically not an incorrect use of the trope as far as I can tell, it still reads as unnecessary and is reflective of a lot of the OP's anti-Nijisanji rhetoric.
- A lot of various entries on Culture Clash ranting more about Nijisanji's business practices and how badly they mishandled one particular vtuber in specific, admitted at the very start to be largely speculative ("It's strongly suspected that...") with only minor focus on them being a result of actual cultural divides.
- A lot of entries on YMMV/Nijisanji about its various workplace allegations and controversies, most of which are written to skirt around YMMV guidelines, including inappropriate uses of Never Live It Down (which were since taken down as per cleanup thread in violation of "no recent examples")
- They added most vtuber entries onto Unperson/RealLife since February. While technically not incorrect usage, some of these entries are really freaking long and go into a lot of personal detail and speculation (talking about how one person crying as a result of a genmate being retired, or how fans got angry of a vtuber being retired, are completely unnecessary to the point), and the Nijisanji entries naturally read as very biased and trying to emphasize as being "drama".
- Also just in general violating a lot of real-life troping rules that would be insensitive even if it wasn't a vtuber (none of the tropes in question warrant focus on someone's suicide attempt, especially since it's never been actually confirmed and just sounds like gossip, in addition to being weirdly invasive).
I know we have a dedicated vtuber cleanup thread, but this user in particular has added such bad juju regarding vtuber drama across the wiki; can something be done about this?
Edited by number9roboticopenMoving from Work to Recap pages
I've been preparing to create recap pages for the Walking with… series, and wanted to make sure I was doing the move right. My game plan was that when a trope with multiple episode entries is present, like so:
- Trope:
- In Episode 1...
- In Episode 2...
- In Episode 3...
I copy over the relevant entries but leave the original entry be as it is technically a series-wide trope, but when it's specific to an episode like so:
- Trope 1: In Episode 3...
- Trope 2: In Episode 1...
- Trope 3: In Episode 5...
I move them and cut the originals on the main page in order to avoid redundancy and potential confusion about what goes where.
Does that make sense?
I'm having a disagreement with someone over the applicability of Age-Gap Romance. There's this one freeze-frame where it says his birth year, and from there you can calculate that he would be 14 at the time of the relationship. But that's almost certainly an error, Writers Cannot Do Math; nothing else in the story supports him being that young. Can I get an outside opinion on whether it's legit to take a probable-error at face value like that?