This thread exists to help maintain the wiki's non-fiction works pages (and their subpages). Our starting point is the Real Life Troping policy, which makes this point, in bold:
Things that happen in real life are not tropes.
Reality TV is a special case and has its own cleanup thread
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Articles on Non-Fiction works are allowed on the wiki, but they must describe other things: the staged performance (e.g. a Crime Reconstruction), the setting, artistic elements, or some sort of commentary on other works.
If a work doesn't have enough of that content to lift it beyond a stub, it may be cut.
The What Qualifies as a Work? thread exists to discuss policy on what's actually considered a tropeable work.
Case in point: A few months ago, I scrubbed a huge amount of entries from Characters.Planet Zoo because most of them were about the animals as they are in real life, including some No Real Life Examples, Please! tropes, and that's unambiguously a work of fiction. Another characters page where this is common is Prehistoric Planet, where basically every sauropod has a Long Neck entry, even though that's not something specific to the show's portrayals. Should those be removed?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 28th 2023 at 5:24:10 PM
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From what you've said, I think it should go.
Tobias/TJ (He/Him)
At the very least, the character page is nothing but real-life troping and should be cut.
Aside from the gossipy stuff, there's also a Killed Off for Real entry for a real person.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.
the Retromancer
- What even is "Eurovision tropes" folder? Most of these aren't real tropes, so this list can be removed and a few proper examples moved to the main list.
- It may be easier to work with if valid examples are temporarily filtered to a Sandbox page, as most of examples that are present involve behind the scene drama between participants and not the show's content.
Yeah, that folder has also bothered me for a while. Some of them have already been duplicated in the main trope list so that can be reworked.
I'd strongly disagree that "most" of the current remaining examples are about backstage drama at this point, but can accept that I may be biased and not seeing things the way someone else would. When I edited yesterday I left tropes that do allow for Real Life examples on the trope pages under the assumption that would mean they were valid here. The YMMV page may still need some work in that regard.
Having thought about it more, I'd also like to make an argument that costume-related tropes are valid here. They're referring specifically to costumes worn as part of performances. Most, if not all, pages for singers/bands include tropes about costumes they wear for music videos or concerts as that's part of the art they're creating. Same goes for Eurovision, these are stage costumes chosen to reflect their song or to grab attention in a deliberate way that falls under why costume tropes exist.
Edited by NB2000 on May 14th 2024 at 4:44:40 PM
he/him
If we'd trope it for a music video, I think we can trope it for a staged and scripted Eurovision performance.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 14th 2024 at 4:17:50 PM
Agreed.
Belatedly, I agree with cutting Characters.Nineteen Kids And Counting.
the Retromancer
Is Eurovision page all good now? It looks almost clean. Handicapped Badass all feel like misuse on "badass" part, or at least ZCE. Bribing Your Way to Victory feels like describing behind the scenes events.
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