Rama, like Dune, is another series that gets really up itself the longer it goes on. It adopts what I can only describe as an unearned spiritual tone.
The idea of a series isn't that terrible. Exploration of the spaceship could indeed be an episodic adventure akin to Lost in Space.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That's what they said about Dune too, and yet Villeneuve pulled it off rather well regardless.
Man, that fight scene at the end was brutal. One of the most brutal ones I've seen for a while.
Edited by Redmess on Apr 8th 2024 at 3:01:40 PM
Optimism is a duty.Dune has very clear good guys and bad guys and it has had plenty of previous adaptations to draw from so it stopped being impossible to film years ago,Rama by contrast is about exploring an alien spaceship and the drama is about what they'll find on the ship rather then who they'll face,and has to my knowledge never been adapted as a film,so whoever makes it first has a lot of expectations to get it right
Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 8th 2024 at 2:11:51 PM
New theme music also a boxI feel like we should move this discussion to a new thread. (Rama famously has No Antagonist, at least for the first book... except I think I remember one of the astronauts going nuts.)
Edited by Fighteer on Apr 8th 2024 at 9:11:05 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Done! I've created a separate topic for Rama
Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 8th 2024 at 2:44:14 PM
New theme music also a boxHonest Trailer for Dune Part 2.
Some great zingers in there.
"When you leave the suburb for the first time."
Paul: "There's spice in the food."
Thought the Honest Title was kinda lazy, though: 2une(also, it should be just 2ne).
That would be pronounced "Toon".
I think there’s a global conspiracy to see who can get the most clicks on the worst liesNot if you pronounce it in Frenglish.
Trailer for the Dune Prophecy series.
Prophecy? A TV show?
Prequel series about the Bene Gesserit.
The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.Interesting! I imagine they'll be working off the Brian Herbert novels for this, if it takes place just after the Butlerian Jihad.
Edited by theLibrarian on May 15th 2024 at 7:45:44 AM
It starts with "10,000 years before the birth of Paul".
> Interesting! I imagine they'll be working off the Brian Herbert novels for this, if it takes place just after the Butlerian Jihad.
N0000000000000!
if thats true
Edited by Ultimatum on May 15th 2024 at 3:48:23 PM
New theme music also a boxAnyone wanna make a page for this? Series.Dune Prophecy.
The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.IMO, they almost certainly won't be pulling from the Brian Herbert novels that closely, if at all. None of the shared character names overlap, and the particular prequel trilogy set in the right timeframe is very dependent on the previous trilogy about the Butlerian Jihad and I would be extremely surprised if anyone wanted to actually be dependent on those. The way Villeneuve's approach to Dune works, I'm expecting the actual nature of the Jihad and who it was against to stay extremely vague and obscure and to not be basically robot versions of Baron Harkonnen.
...seriously, that's what Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson did with the Machines. Not kidding, pulling from those books directly would create tons of tone problems.
Edited by Zendervai on May 16th 2024 at 10:56:37 AM
Not Three Laws compliant.Random question from still-hasn't-read-the-books me: What is the Emperor like in the books? In the movie he's clearly a bad dude, but also fairly pathetic and portrayed as painfully aware of the fact that if his subordinate nobles were to rebel, he'd fold like a wet paper bag. Is that accurate?
> Is that accurate?
I've read the books and I'd so say so,he's practically a figurehead,kinda of.
New theme music also a boxYeah, the big difference is that he's younger and does a superficial "I'm not sucked into the superficial elements of this" thing where he wears a basic Sarudakar uniform, but I think that reads pretty different these days.
Not Three Laws compliant.In the books he is something of a figurehead, but not to the other noble houses. He's really a pawn of the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood.
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe Emperor's position is a bit stronger in the books because the Spacing Guild is a much bigger deal in the books, essentially functioning as a third lever of power, balanced against the Imperial House and the other Houses.
There's also another noble who features a bit more in the book who could have killed Paul in combat, as he (Count Fenring) was an almost-Kwisatz Haderach, which is not far off from Feyd-Rautha (as he would have been the father of the planned KH in the original scheme of the Bene Geserit).
Removing those elements make Paul's position a lot stronger and the Emperor's a lot weaker in the adaptation. Which makes sense, as the Emperor isn't supposed to be that strong, either way. It's something the books go into detail about and the movie shows but doesn't explain.
It's worth noting that the Spacing Guild still does very little in the first book. They're there as observers at a couple of events, but they never make any moves at all and they do absolutely nothing to stop any of the schemes in the story. It's in the later books that they start getting more active.
I also have a hunch that they're going to be developed more in Dune Prophecy.
Not Three Laws compliant.
I've read Rendezvous with Rama and I think it would work better as a TV show
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